Fisherman you said the subject is "when", but in this thread you yourself do not state when. You criticize the statement of "Very, VERY soon", yet the WT also says "Very, Very soon" (or at least statements with an equivalent meaning) and you claim to be a JW. Maybe what Elmer said is correct.
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Pawn to Queen 2034 anyone?
by Fisherman innot a hint of a new date for the great tribulation.
the attitude of jw is that they expect it immediately although the inter-lapping anointed allows for any additional extended time.
given the time of the end, the end comes after the good news is preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations with the internet and 108 years and tons of publications even in finnish.
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Prediction of Watchtower in a Few Years
by Foolednomore inkingdom halls will be the thing of the past.. conventions (mini assembly halls will still be going on) but will charge for attending and parking and always a donation.
elders will play a much smaller role since csa.
cart preaching will replace door to door.
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Regarding census numbers of people who claim to belong to a religion, keep in mind that many people who no longer believe in religion will say they are a member of a religion. Many people who were baptized (even as an infant) into a Christian religion consider themselves still in the religion even they are now agnostics or atheists and also no longer believe in religion, as long as they have not officially left religion.
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Pawn to Queen 2034 anyone?
by Fisherman innot a hint of a new date for the great tribulation.
the attitude of jw is that they expect it immediately although the inter-lapping anointed allows for any additional extended time.
given the time of the end, the end comes after the good news is preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations with the internet and 108 years and tons of publications even in finnish.
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Fisherman do you now believe that the 1914 generation might not experience the great tribulation? After all, anyone born in October 1914 if still alive today would be 108 years and five months old (and you acknowledge the 108 years). There only a small number (probably under 30 people) alive today who are at least 180 years old.
Fisheman, DesirousOfChange addressed the topic of "WHEN" when she/he stated her/his view of the following. "JUST LOOK at the evening news. This system is obviously on its way out very, Very, VERY soon!"
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Pawn to Queen 2034 anyone?
by Fisherman innot a hint of a new date for the great tribulation.
the attitude of jw is that they expect it immediately although the inter-lapping anointed allows for any additional extended time.
given the time of the end, the end comes after the good news is preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations with the internet and 108 years and tons of publications even in finnish.
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Long ago Christianity and the Bible had been been preached to "all the inhabited earth", yet the end has not come, and thus the NT prophecy has failed. Granted the WT doctrine of the establishment of the kingdom in 1914 has not been preached to "all the inhabited earth", but that doctrine of the WT is a false interpretation of scripture and of the archaeological record of date of the destruction of Jerusalem by Babylon. As a result, an end in the biblical sense will never come, since there is no basis for believing that Jesus was a Christ and no basis for belief in any Christ in heaven, nor a divine Son of Man in heaven.
Atheism (in the full sense of atheistic naturalism) is truth and it is a very great truth. It needs to be proclaimed into all the inhabited earth for a witness and a testimony of reality to the people. People everywhere need to know that great truth.
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A question about the contemporary generation teaching following a conversation with a JW apologist
by Giles Gray ini would like to ask the ex-jws on this site to put their ‘apologists hat’ back on for a moment, so that i can go through the overlapping generation teaching in an attempt to make sense of it.
i apologise if these points have already been addressed on this site.a quick background for the reason for my request… having never confronted a jw apologist on the topic, i recently engaged with a jw regarding the official understanding of a ‘generation’ and unfortunately he didn’t have an answer to the points i was making.
i was left a little confused as to what the official jw response would/should be.so i was hoping that my thoughts below might be considered from an apologist’s perspective.the point in question relates to this section of the watchtower article below from 2008, as well as the jw.org video explanation of the overlapping generation:---:w08 2/15[box on page 25] can we calculate the length of “this generation”?the word “generation” usually refers to people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event.
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If biblically speaking Christ became king right after his ascension, then biblically speaking when does Satan get thrown into the abyss, and thus when does the 1,000 year period of Christ's kingdom start?
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Why believe in a god?
by menrov inif you consider that the god they believe in:.
- cannot be seen or heard and is only known in books written by writers we do not know nor do we have the original writings- does not listen to prayers from believers for security, safety, health, survival, protection, rescue, food etc- promises things that have not come true though had plenty of time to act on the promises- does not provide what you need to live- let's you suffer, struggle, work etc equal to non-believers, treated equally.
........ how does a believer look at his/her parents if they hide themselves, do not provide for you (shelter, food etc), make promises but never live up to these, does not provide what you need to live, treats you like anyone else but not as their child?
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Did a chat box write some of the posts of this topic (but with a human having transcribed what the chat box said)? It wouldn't surprise me if that was the case. Maybe a person besides making some of his/her own posts in this topic also made some posts in this topic using the aid of a chat box to come up with replies (or portions of replies), to make him or her seem smarter than he or she really is.
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Why believe in a god?
by menrov inif you consider that the god they believe in:.
- cannot be seen or heard and is only known in books written by writers we do not know nor do we have the original writings- does not listen to prayers from believers for security, safety, health, survival, protection, rescue, food etc- promises things that have not come true though had plenty of time to act on the promises- does not provide what you need to live- let's you suffer, struggle, work etc equal to non-believers, treated equally.
........ how does a believer look at his/her parents if they hide themselves, do not provide for you (shelter, food etc), make promises but never live up to these, does not provide what you need to live, treats you like anyone else but not as their child?
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slimboyfat and others, hypothetically speaking (or writing) could some person or thing (or other entity) be the creator of our universe and of our reality and yet not be God? What is gained by calling an unknown creator God? If the creator can not be detected by us in any way, then why not say a Creator created our universe and our reality, instead of saying God created such? In that situation, the word "Creator" would be better terminology than the word "God, if we can not define God other than to say God is the Creator. What do you think about that?
To me an entity (even in an intelligence) who/that does not intervene in our lives isn't God (or a god) and thus should not be called God. Most people who believe in God believe that God intervenes in human life (or at least brings about an afterlife environment for humans when humans die). To me the word "God" means more than the word "Creator". I think when those who say they believe in "God", if by "God" we really only mean "Creator, then instead they should say we believe in Creator (or a Creator), rather than saying they believe in God.
To me a much stronger case can be made that Creator exists, than that God exists. To me a that concept which is called a deistic type of God really shouldn't be called God, but that instead it should be called Creator.
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“Lazarus, come out!”
by Fisherman inmany people here have expressed faith in evolution and in other theories—but in all honesty, do you have any hope whatsoever in your heart or in the back of your mind ?
truthfully..
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Regarding evolution and the interpretations of archaeologists/anthropologists (and the possibility that they can misinterpret evidence, or jump to conclusions), the article at https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/03/10/1161652099/monkey-stone-flakes-early-humans-tools might interest readers. I found it interesting.
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Why believe in a god?
by menrov inif you consider that the god they believe in:.
- cannot be seen or heard and is only known in books written by writers we do not know nor do we have the original writings- does not listen to prayers from believers for security, safety, health, survival, protection, rescue, food etc- promises things that have not come true though had plenty of time to act on the promises- does not provide what you need to live- let's you suffer, struggle, work etc equal to non-believers, treated equally.
........ how does a believer look at his/her parents if they hide themselves, do not provide for you (shelter, food etc), make promises but never live up to these, does not provide what you need to live, treats you like anyone else but not as their child?
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Linda14 instead of Irish Global Ministry, it looks like the ministry is called Iris Global Ministry. Is that correct?
There are articles online commenting as to whether supernatural miracles took place as a result s to the prayers (by Iris Global Ministry and Global Awakening) or not. The examples I saw (as a result of a very brief online search) took place in Africa (at least for Iris Global Ministry), and that were no control groups used, to test the alleged power of prayer by the church groups.
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1975 on the back burner
by Fisherman in“1975” still marks 6000 years from the creation of adam in wt calendar.
according to “all scriptures inspired” book, there is a gap between the creation of adam and the creation of eve and her marriage to adam.
it was at that point in time when eve was created that marked the end of the 6th creative day and the beginning of god’s rest, the 7th day as recorded in genesis.
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It definitely took hundreds of millions of years of evolution (I no longer believe in old Earth creationism) on Earth for all of types of Earthly life (and the extinct Earthly life) to come into existences, and billions of years for Earth to form, and cosmological evolution has been taking place for billions of years. But when I spoke of according to a certain type of reasoning "... the entire creative week would be 49,000 years long" I was meaning according the WT's line of reasoning which they had prior to some time in the 1980s. After that time they stopped specifying precisely how long they think each of the biblical 6 creative periods/"days" (and one period/"day" of rest for Jehovah) were.